How important is golf club fitting?

What I have for you today is an inside look at the tour van on the Champions tour.  The tour van is usually available near the driving range on Tuesdays through Thursdays and then good bye and good luck if you break a club during the tournament.

I guess they need to get to the next town so I don’t blame them for leaving.











Not everything provided by the tour van is golf club repair.  Adjustments or tinkering is in order and quite common.  A quick grip change because it doesn’t feel just right.  Bend your lie angles because you missed too many greens the week before.  Are they all head cases, or is club fitting a moving target just like the golf swing?

One would assume they these very experienced professionals had already been fitted with the best technology available with launch monitors etc.  The tour rep for the company they play, (most all golf club companies have a tour rep that travels the tour attempting to convince players to switch to their brand and offer service to the pros that are already have on board) is available with all the very latest and greatest clubs, fully tested at the factory.











Facts is, golf club fitting with a computer, launch monitor or the space shuttle, is a close but not full end all fitting to any golf swing. There is where the talent lies in knowing what the golf swing is begging for.  We just mentioned the key, your golf swing gets to pick your golf club configuration not the computer!  If you do NOT have a repeatable golf swing, you and your fitter need to determine if the golf clubs you have now are interfering with your ability to improve your golf swing to the point that it can be considered FIT ABLE.

golf-club-lie-anglesYour golf swing is a never ending work in progress so your golf clubs will be no different.  If you purchased the latest new golf clubs thinking the search is over your misinformed. You should and will be always tinkering with your golf clubs just like you’re tinkering with your swing. 

How?  Just your lie angles for instance.  If your path to the golf ball changes, your lie angle will need to adjust accordingly.  Having an improper lie angle is like driving your car with the wheels out of alignment. 

What do you do if you’re an outright hacker?  Oh, I like those the best!  That’s where I can do what I like to call an orthopedic fit.  I can take static measurements and determine that the perfect swing path for that individual body type is exactly one degree upright and 1/2 inch longer in golf club length.  Now that individual will have to accommodate the golf club configuration instead of the other way around!  If he/she swings over the top the down swing, the golf club will bow down and the lie angle will be too flat and push the golf ball out to the right, (for right handers).  Under what I call the orthopedic fit, the golfer has to learn to swing on a flatter plane or start with the arms first, in order to get the best results.

I like to say, “your golf club configuration should reward you when you make your best motion.”  An improper fit will force you to make a poor swing motion that fits the configuration to get the desired results.

In summary, golf club fitting is not so cut and dry like the golf club companies want yo to think.  After all they have to sell their golf clubs and someone like me clouds the issue with attempting to be a tailor rather then selling suits at Macy’s.
















Golf Clubs Like Bryson DeChambeau Part IV

Single length golf clubs for the irons only!

We’re getting closer and I know you might be impatient by now but we want to get right, not fast.  I take it very seriously when I recommend something to others.  Unlike golf pros that will endorse anything for a buck, I refuse to promote something I wouldn’t use for my self.

We’re real close on what is the 5 iron through the AW.  We have the five iron flying higher than our earlier version.  I’ve tried so many different address positions, swinging more upright and then back to my old set-up that I’ve lost count.  I can say one thing.  I think the one ball position is a plus and it does make it more likely that one would take the same position more often if there were only one to learn or perform.

The problem with the hybrid so far is I think it has to be longer than the irons.  Bryson makes his 3 iron longer than the rest of his irons so it just makes sense that you need some length to help with the lower lofted golf club.  For instance, his irons are 37.5 inches long, (about seven iron length) but his three iron is 39″ long.

The first hybrid we made, (keep in mind this hybrid weighs like a seven iron 242 grams) with a steel shaft just like the rest of the iron set.  Poo poo terrible!  Muy malo!   So I built a hybrid with the graphite shaft same length.  Nada!  Just as bad.  Then I built the hybrid with a graphite shaft and made it 39.5 inches so I could choke up some and try different lengths.  I also made the shaft a bit softer, more flexible.  Walla!  What a difference!  Ball jumped up in the air and I was pretty satisfied.

Don’t get out the Champagne yet!  One BIG problem.  In order for the hybrid to be a full 272 grams they had to make the head bigger.  More mass.  The typical hybrid four head weight is about 249 grams.  The bigger head needed in order to get 272 grams makes the club head to big to cut through the grass like I would want.  That’s probably why Bryson doesn’t have one?  No reason why we can’t go with a standard hybrid weight and just under standard length.

While Bryson’s three iron is 39 inches long his fairway wood is 44 inches.  So there is somewhat of a contradiction here.  Shorter irons, woods and long irons standard?

Nest step is I have a complete other set of heads coming in with all graphite shafts.  Lets see how the graphite shafts do along with the possibility of steel shafts in the 7,8,9,PW,AW and then graphite in the 5 and 6 irons.  Being I will be at the PGA show this week it might be until the end of the month until I can put them together for testing.

Here’s a new video below:

Single Length Golf Clubs Part III

There’s More To This Golf Club Configuration Than What the Golf Club Companies Are Telling You

We would be remiss if we didn’t take a serious look at both Bryson DeChambeau’s golf swing as well as Moe Norman, the supposed mentor of his instructor.  Yes there are similarities but not when it comes to lie angle on the golf club or swing plane angle.  Funny enough, Moe talks about being very vertical in one of his videos but watching him on film he is quite shallow.

This must have created a difficult decision for the golf club companies in that do you service or build around a Moe Norman configuration or Bryson DeChambeau?

To me, (I’m not done with my complete analysis) it looks like both Cobra and the generics have decided to go with a 62.5 lie angle which is common for a standard seven iron.  Well that is certainly not Bryson DeChabeau based by the video below, and maybe too upright for Moe Norman. I’m not sure.

Being that the generics I assuming followed the lead of Cobra, then we have no choice but to move the lie angles as far as we could which was to 64 degrees and stand closer to the ball for a more upright swing plane.  If we’re going to find out if Bryson’s method is a better way to play golf than we have to head in his direction.  A word of caution!  From the video below, I’m not certain that Bryson swings the golf club exactly like Moe?

With that in mind we have to head in one direction or look for two answers.

1: Does swinging the golf club on a vertical plane, (more upright) create a more consistent and tighter ball flight pattern.

2: Does the single length golf club make it easier for the average golfer by only having one set-up throughout the set in ball position, distance from the ball AND more importantly does the single length concept help golfers hit the center of gravity of the golf club more often?

We still have work to do.  I just ordered another shaft configuration that I think will help and its’ on the way.  One seemingly important issue is the six, five and four iron not getting enough height. I might have that resolved with a different shaft configuration and cutting procedures.  We’ll know soon!  Check back for further information as we follow this trail to a possible improvement in everybody’s golf game.

Single Length Golf Clubs Part II

Golf Clubs Like Bryson DeChambeau

As we delve into this mystery golf club configuration we certainly know more than when we started.  I’ve had several conversations with the manufacturers of the golf club heads for this project and also hit the Cobra F7 golf clubs which should be on the market in January.

As I say in the video below, I am very suspicious of the golf clubs manufacturers and their attempt to commercialize this configuration to something it’s not.  That’s why I called this series the “truth about single length golf clubs.”

I’m still interested enough to keep going but not convinced enough to offer you a trial run and recommendation.  We still have a way to go.

In the video below we begin to address the lie angle issue.





The lie angles on Bryson’s golf clubs are extremely upright!  You’ll understand more when I do the analysis of Bryson’s swing vs Moe Norman the famous Canadian golfers who Bryson is supposedly modeling his swing after.

You can read this article by Kevin Casey in Golf Week which discusses in detail the Bryson DeChambeau configuration.  It doesn’t sound like the configuration the golf club companies are offering you.  Looks like they are expecting you to swing traditional on a 62.5 degree lie angle just with shorter single length golf clubs.  Wait a minute!  Didn’t those same manufacturers tell you longer and lighter was better?

Here’s the video from day 2:

Single Length Golf Clubs

Is Bryson DeChambeau on to something?

The idea of single length golf clubs it not a new thing.  Years ago the Tommy Armour company tried to market a set of equal length golf clubs and failed.  You can get all the history about single length golf clubs by combing the internet.

I’m not concerned with the history here or the ability for a golf club company to sell higher profits.  My question is, does this golf club configuration actually make it easier for golfers to play?  With all the talk about making the game easier, shorter, golf courses that are only 6 holes long and even making the hole bigger, is single length golf clubs a possible positive contributor to making golf more accessible and enjoyable for the average golfer.

When I mentioned these golf clubs to my good friend Larry Wilson he said that he already had a set of single length golf clubs.  Doesn’t matter which one he hits, they all 100 yards!

I am going to make a best effort to find out if this idea has merit above and beyond a tour player like Bryson DeChambeau.  I will study this topic from a practical point of view.  I will not consider this a search for extra power or pinpoint accuracy, although those could be the results we find.  My concern is with ease of play and consistency.

Keep in touch with this Blog for the latest as I post videos of the progress so far.  You will see day one of the study below and I will post day two as quickly as possible.

Oh one thing before we start the video.  I guess you are asking what is the difference between the single length golf clubs and a standard configuration?  Well, in a standard set of irons the weight of the club heads are staggered by seven grams.  For instance, a six iron club head weighs about 257 grams and might be a golf club once assembled at 38 inches long.  A five iron would have a golf club head weight of 250 grams (seven grams lighter) and have a total length after assembled of 38 1/2 inches.  As the golf club shaft lengthens the club head weight is diminished by seven grams per golf club.

In a single length set of golf clubs all the golf clubs are the same length, (approximately 37 to 37 1/2 inches) and all the golf club head weights are identical. About the same head weight of a seven iron.  The difference per golf club head is the loft.

That means that with every golf club the same length, no more moving the golf ball around in your stance.  You stand at the same distance form the ball on every club.  You only need to learn one stance and set up that works for every club.

Now please watch the video for more details….

Should I Check My Lie Angles

Should I Check My Lie Angles

You bet ya! That should be one of the first things you do for this new season. If you worked on your golf swing over the winter, (and I hope you did or you’ll get a spanking and the golf course is going to be the one to give it to you), you might have a slight change in swing path. Your lie angles should accommodate your swing path.

should-i-change-my-lie-anglesYou’re going to hit two things. The ball and the ground. How the sole of your golf club travels through the ground is vital. Any resistance by the toe or the heel of the golf club will flip the club face open or closed.

The better the quality of your golf club head the easier it is to bend.  In the same breath, the easier it is for your lie angles to move through regular use.  Buying golf club heads is somewhat like buying jewelry.  The 1030 carbon steel metal is softer and easier to bend but far more expensive.  Twenty three carrot golf is softer than lets say fourteen carrot. For the very advanced player, the forged or carbon steel head can also be ground on the sole to even further accommodate the players swing path through impact.  Some players may want a little shaved off the toe or heel.  Maybe beveled a little more on the leading edge.

lie-anglesThe more mass produced golf clubs use 431 stainless steel which is produced by melting the metal and pouring it in a mold.  That process tends to make the steel harder and more difficult to bend.  You also need to be careful when bending any molded golf club because you might end up with two piece in your hands.  It can happen, but it might be worth the risk if you want your lie angles right which equals straighter more consistent golf shots.

A serious word of caution!  In many golf establishments, you can ask to have your lie angles checked, they ask you to hit a few balls of a lie board, (a hard plastic surface to determine where golf club is at impact, and they immediately offer a suggest for upright or flat based on the mark on the bottom of your golf club.

One MUST consider the path you’re swinging the golf club on!  For instance, if you’re over the top, (swinging outside in) the force of the swing bows the shaft and forces the golf club head downward making it appear as if you need a more upright golf club.  This is a false reading and most likely, (if you do bend your golf clubs upright) you will be doomed to swing outside in for ever in order to get a decent golf shot with the upright configuration.

Make sure the individual that checks your lie angles is a qualified teacher.  You can ask questions like, does my swing path effect my lie angle.  See if you get a similar answer to what I just described for you. 

You’re about to start the 2014 season.  Hit some balls and make sure you’re comfortable with your swing and then get your lie angles checked.


What Are My Choices In Wedges?

I’ve attached for you a copy of the article written by Scott Kramer of PGA magazine.  PGA magazine goes directly to PGA professionals with all the latest on the golf business.  Scott does a great job in this article explaining how better golfers seem to carry more wedges.  As it is said on tour, “you make all your money 85 yards and in.”

I personally carry:

Gap 50 degrees loft
Sand 54 degrees loft
Lob 58 degrees loft
Super Lob 64 degrees loft that I only carry for courses that have elevated greens.

Here’s the article:

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Gary Player Gets Fitted For A New Set of Callaway Golf Clubs

Gary Player Gets Fitted For A New Set of Callaway Golf Clubs

Attached is an article written by Scot Kramer which covers a Callaway Golf Club fitting with Gary Player.  He’s the part I find important….He’s 77 and still hitting it!  There’s hope for all us senior golfers out there!  All we’ve got to do is eat see weed and run five miles every morning!  Forget it!  Give me a cold one and I’ll make it up with the putting.

I marked with a RED ARROW what I thought to be very important and interesting information that would help you with your game and your club fitting whenever you desire to have one.  One big comment was the distance he hits his wedges.  About the same as mine.  I’ve told many a student that when I played, except for a few golfers that were scary long in our day, I hit it about the same distance.  I’m not a long hitter.  People over emphasize hitting it further as their problem which is not so.  Think accuracy not distance, especially with the irons.

This was a great article combining the fitting process along with some great old tour stories which of course I love.  Those guys were more colorful back in those days.

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Golf Wedges and Their Bounce Factor

What prompted this entry was a follow-up fitting we did on the purchase of a new set of Callaway Black Irons, where the golfer was hitting the ball perfectly on the sole of the golf club for loft and lie angle on his six iron, but the wedge was making contact with the ground on the trailing edge of the golf club.

This short video below will give you a better perspective on the bounce factor on wedges and why this occurred.  It might be happening to you and you are not aware of it because you haven’t hit balls on a lie board. (a board usually of plastic where you hit a golf ball off of it with an impact tape on the bottom of the golf clubs so you know how and where you made contact with the board)

lie-angleActually all golf clubs have “bounce” (radius) on the sole or at least they should AND every golf club should have a slightly different bounce angle. Why? To accommodate the angle of attack which is different for every golf club.  Why?  Because each golf club is different in length.  The shorter the golf club the steeper the lie angle. (lie angle is measured from the center of the shaft to the ground in degrees)

When someone asks, were should he ball be in my stance?  The answer is, how are the soles designed.

Here’s a big key when buying a wedge.  You can’t just buy one off the wall or in a barrel, UNLESS you are already versed on the different sole configurations available, what they will do to your impact point and have already used that configuration in the past, tested it and are basically just replacing a prior wedge.

Best way to buy a wedge is testing it outside in the presence of a qualified professional that is well versed on the subject himself and specializes in wedge play.

Here’s the portion of our last webinar that relates to wedge bounce.  Hope it helps your golf game.  Just click on the graphic.


If you would like to see the full webinar we had on wedges try the following link. Full Webinar on Wedges, Bounce Angles and Buy A Wedge